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Hi Iwill never use them on my own again. My "project management" got them to do plumbing for my bathroom reno last September, as my usual plumber could not make it that day. They did not fit an upright tap properly, told not to touch anything until silicon dries and left. The tap fell at the first attempt to open water. My "project management" blamed the tap's thread, though we had a "dry run" with my usual plumber before, and there was nothing wrong with anything. In any case any conscientious plumber would've told the management that they couldn't do the tap properly (for whatever reason). I could've returned the tap and got a new one , if there was a problem with a thread. But just leaving it there wobbling from side to side.... shame!